Senate: No ballot vote on gay marriage
By TOM FAHEY
State House Bureau Chief
Thursday, May. 28, 2009
Senate Democrats killed a move Wednesday to put the gay marriage question before voters next year.
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- Brian Findlay, Nashua
Anyone who wants to have relations with a member of the same gender may do so. That affects no one else. Anyone who wants to marry a person of the same gender can go to the nearest liberal church or synagogue and do so. That really does affect no one but them, and more power to them.
But for the state to force employers to give the gay lovers of their employees equal insurance and health benefits reserved for married employees is a financial burden, and to clog the courts with MORE divorces (and deciding custody of the cats, or of the sperm-donor created child, who has an invisible and unknown father) are COSTS on society.
Why is no one mentioning these up in Concord?
- Stephen, Manchester
Until people can learn to love, and forget the hate, this country will go to Hell. We are not here to judge, we are here to live, to learn, and to love.
- Jenn, Hooksett
- John Raymond, Hampton
Hey genius, the Gay Civil Rights Movement seeks equality, and that means marriage equality. If two black people getting married 50 years ago did not ruin all 'white' marriages, then I sincerely doubt gays are a threat to your hterosexual marriage, so clearly based on intolerance of all others. Regurgitate and parrot non-facts all you want. The only threat to heterosexual marriage is in your deluded head, right above your pronounced occipital ridge..
- Mike, Concord
But as far as a referendum goes...what is Lynch and the Democrats afraid of? That they want to create laws that their constituents don't agree with? If that's the case, then maybe this shouldn't pass because it's not what New Hampshire wants. A binding referendum is the only way to be certain and what can be more fairer than allowing us to vote on this issue?
Personally, I would vote yea..but let the people decide!!!
- Steve, Manchester
This means the GLBT consortium is engaged in deliberate sabotage of our society. And the rest of us, in an effort to be kinder and more accommodating, have been aiding and abetting their actions.
I'm a fairly tolerant man. I'm a live and let live sort of person. But you people aren't happy to be that way. You want to be able to tell me what to do and what to say. Now you have pushed me too damn far!
Well citizens, it's time to not just stop, but to push BACK these greedy, selfish, self-serving advocates of minority tyranny. Let's take this same-sex marriage bill, fold it into a bunch of sharp corners, and shove it up their you-know-whats.
- Michael D. Houst, Barrington, NH
No one has yet to offer a logical argument as to why this hateful exclusion is still in the bill. Those narrow minded Neanderthals who are against this can only resort to name calling. Well, it’s time to crawl out of your caves and address the real issue. Do we insist of equal rights for all or are will going to accept half a bill?
How can you be against it when it won’t affect you one bit? If you don’t want a family relative marriage, don’t get one.
- George, Concord
- Alex, Nashua
Lynch does not stand by his own words. "I support marriage between one man and one woman I will veto this bill if does not pass with my ammendments. It did not pass where is the veto? Governor Lynch ( aka Lt Norman Dike)
- Gary, Moultonborough
- Sheila Varden-Straffin, Strafford
- Patricia, Raymond
- Dan, Manchester (circa 1894)
- Linda, Raymond
This issue is a waste of everyones time
Lets kill this bill & start doing more of what you all said you would do when you took over the position your in .
Govenor Lynch what are you touring Chrysler dealerships for when you should be Vetoing this bill
step up & do what you said you would do
- steve T., milford nh
- Mike, Manchester, NH
- Jeff, Manchester
Homosexual behavior is a biological and evolutionary dead end. Society has no interest in promoting/supporting this behavior; however, we here in New Hampshire have been respectful and generous enough to grant legal status to homosexual couples (Why only homosexuals? Why only couples?) through civil unions.
I encourage our legislators to move on and tackle the people's business.
- Tom, Campton
- Jenn, Hooksett
How many times is the house and senate going to vote on this? For the life of me I can’t understand why so much time and effort is spent on this. There has to be other legislation more important that this cries out for attention.
- Pete, Somersworth
- Kristin, Manchester
I think they are afraid that we will have the same result as Cali... which of course we will.
This debate over gay marriage is a waste of time. Kill it, let's be done with it, and move on to more relevant and pressing matters.
- Marc, Weare
- Bill B., Peham
- Tom T, Manchester
Of course they voted it down. They work for the people after all and they know what is best once elected like with what food we can eat and what we can do on our own land. Especially on an issue they never mentioned during the election process.
- Deb, Derry
The South could have gone state by state, and town by town, and it would not have made slavery right.
- Bob Jean, Northwood, NH
Marriage is a about pro-creation and providing a sound family for it.
Good luck to the gays on that one!
- mark, enfield
Marriage requires one gender of each type, as it has been since before the start of civilization. Marriage is what gender difference means. You are welcome to use another word, but it isn't marriage without wife and husband, one of each gender. To pass laws trying ignore gender in the very place that gender difference is needed is irresponsible and legislators backing such measure are not doing their job.
- Molly, Nashua
Elected reps do what THEY want once their elected, not what the voters want. I thought reps were supposed to do what their constituents wanted, but that idea is apparently too old-fashioned for today's politicians. Their attitude is "Vote me out if you don't like what I am going to do..." But in the mean time, a lot of damage can be done.
Let the people's voice be heard with our vote on this issue. I know, it's crazy that government would allow us peasants to weigh in, but we have to try.
- Matt F, Center Barnstead
- Mae, Plaistow
Having the right to have an opinion on a matter does not make one a bigot, the ones with narrow minds are the one who keep criticizing those with opposite opinions.
Mr. Vallaincourt says "If you want people to vote, change the constitution to allow it. Until then, stop pandering".
How can the constitution change? You elected officials in Concord are the ones that do that, and with Dems in the majority, it wouldn't get done on this issue because Dems favor the gay marriage.
Stop hiding behind UL blogs and take charge, be a leader and not a blogger.
Let the voters of NH vote on this and stop hiding behind the state constitution.
I hope that voters are really watching this elected group of officials and start voting some of the sheep out.
The real constitution says "We the people", that's not the case here.
When it comes to abortion, prochoice women tell me I have no right to comment on the issue because I'm a man, of course that's only if I disagree with them. It's the same group of people that call me narrow minded on the gay marraige issue because I don't share the same view.
What, you never played baseball? Then you don't have the right to cheer against the Red Sox? Sounds silly doesn't it?
- Scott, Pembroke
- Dave, E. Kingston
- Ellen, Milford, NH
Alternatively, if your religion prohibits such a practice, then you should also be able to not have anything to do with gay marriage. Nobody has the right to impose on or expect accommodation from a religious establishment.
Another thing, the U.S.A. isn't a pure democracy and it never was. Get over it and vote for the representative that is against gay marriage next election. That is, if there is even a Republican party then.
- Jesse, Hill
- sandy, thornton
I fail to understand why this is not a referendum, considering its split right down the party lines. I do not believe in this and never will, politics, just like justice is completely equivelant to what you will pay for it.
- Ron, Northfield
Of course this is demeaning religious marriage & as for not chastising people for their belief, religion, or personal opinion? The gay community or liberals have been very critical of our beliefs, religion & our personal opinion. We keep getting called racist, bigots, religious fanatics, etc by them. It is kind of strange that people who have faith & hope through their religion & have followed good moral values for THOUSANDS of years are now being thought of as racist, bigots & religious freaks.
Sorry, I will never agree to this marriage bill, since the civil union law has all the rights available to gay couples like married couples. I know many gay couples & I still feel this way. Just because I follow a religion faithfully & try to be a good example, I could be made out to be homophobe or racist? That's ridiculous!
I can't wait for 2010 to vote all these irresponsible legislators out, doesn't matter if Democrat or Republican.
- Dave, Manchester
- David, Salem
- Chris, Chester
It should not be by legislative fiat!
From before recorded history marriage has been exclusively between a man and a woman. Two men or two women can more be married then two rocks or two whales. Having said this I also feel equal rights and equality under the law should be afforded to everyone. The law is suppose to be blind to differences and I don’t think anyone would disagree, if it is only a question of not getting certain benefits under the “law” beyond civil unions then have a vote and I’m sure the benefits will be given. But please don’t forcibly change the definition of marriage because a small narcissistic group of people want to impose their legitimacy upon everyone else. It makes me physically ill to read the hypocritical, belligerent, narrow-minded and myopic statements made by the left.
- Anthony, Troy
- Todd, Andover, NH
If the radical, extremist, society-changing concept of gay marriage was put up to a vote, it would go down in flames. That's why they want to either have the courts impose it on us or do it in the dark of night.
- James, Manchester
Like it or not, our state constitution is also based on a republican form of government, not a democratic or socialist one
- Michael Layon, Derry
- Dude, Manchester
- Randy Rouleau, Durham
- Brian, Manchester (currently Iraq)
- Joe Richard Haley, Exeter, NH
between a man & a woman, what's so wrong
about wanting to protect that.
Civil Unions are ok by me & should include
similar rights of married couples
whats next if this passes?
Polygamy, Adult/Child, Bestiality
Marraiges??
Can anyone honestly deny that this issue
does create a slippery slope?
- Tony, Hillsboro
- Brian, Farmington
Whatever it be, it's enough. The democrats, for the first time in a long time, are the majority in Concord..and what do they do but push through their social agenda! When they swept in the last election I was elated. As a lifelong registered and active democrat I was happy. But with that was also concern. What I feared then has occured and continues...pushing too fast and hard. The irony, or foolishness is it happens when this state and nation face its worst economic crisis in generations.
Brilliant job, dems! I suspect you'll have ushered yourselves out in 2010.
- Jack, Manchester
- Ann, Manchester, NH
Lets let people vote on seat belt usage.
Lets let people vote on banning the inhumane greyhound racing which virtually no one watches but which holds animals hostage for profit of track owners trying to get slots.
Lets vote on parental notification.
How about pensions for public employees, shall we vote on them.
I'm against trapping; lets put that to a vote.
I could list a dozen, two dozen, maybe a hundred things we should let the people vote on but hey, letting the people vote directly ended when town meeting halls couldn't hold thousands of people that probably should be voting. Of course, we could just let everyone email a vote in today. Come to think of it, lets get rid of all elected officials and just vote on everything, 5 p.m. each night on your favoite wed site. Give me a break.
If you want people to vote, change the constitution to allow it. Until then, stop pandering.
- steve vaillancourt, manchester, nh
Lets let people vote on seat belt usage.
Lets let people vote on banning the inhumane greyhound racing which virtually no one watches but which holds animals hostage for profit of track owners trying to get slots.
Lets vote on parental notification.
How about pensions for public employees, shall we vote on them.
I'm against trapping; lets put that to a vote.
I could list a dozen, two dozen, maybe a hundred things we should let the people vote on but hey, letting the people vote directly ended when town meeting halls couldn't hold thousands of people that probably should be voting. Of course, we could just let everyone email a vote in today. Come to think of it, lets get rid of all elected officials and just vote on everything, 5 p.m. each night on your favoite wed site. Give me a break.
If you want people to vote, change the constitution to allow it. Until then, stop pandering.
- steve vaillancourt, manchester, nh
- james, manchester
Do you even know what you are saying? That is what this country is about. The majority voted for Obama and Lynch, but there were those of us (aka the minority) that didn't want him in office. How about that lovely bailout nonsense? So we should not vote at all and let the morons in office just keep taking the decency of this country away from us?You must be a dem to have come up with that one- twisting the rules to fit your own agenda.
Paula, the homosexuals HAVE equal rights, marriage is not a right.
- Pauline, Franklin
A pure example of hypocrisy, as lawmakers would rather silence their constituents (the actual ones) in order to due the bidding of activist organizations.
- stuart dunmeyer, Manchester
- Gary, Lincoln
and this is why we should not put it to a vote... too many under-educated people with blinders on and bigotry under their family belt. bigotry in the name of religion will not save you from judgment in the end.
- micael, manchester
- Paula, Manchester
A constitutional right that is afforded to people via the Constitution. A Constituion which was put in place by the citizens. It is always up to citizens to decide...put it to a vote.
- William, Hampstead
- fpc, manchester
- Chris, Merrimack
- John Mills, Rindge, N.H./ Lyman S.C.
Put it up for a vote and lets move on!
- FreddyD, Goffstown
Well I guess all the Athiest should fight to pass a law taking God out of the pledge of allegience..just because they don't believe in God. So what that it's been around for years, no big deal. But apparently so amazingly a big deal to one's daily life that they have to keep arguing and going to the government to get what they want.
Having a different opinion is NOT ignorant, btw. There is more personal agenda than facts in this argument. Comments like that come out of a herd of sheep.
- Rick, Manchester
Thank goodness this isn't a referendum state. Look at the way government in California is hog-tied by propositions.
There's a reason we have elected officials. Like it or not, we choose them to make critical decisions that bind all of us. That's our system of government. We don't change the rules of the game because we don't like the outcome.
If you're unhappy, deal with it in 2010, but given how far off into space the GOP is drifting, I wouldn't bet the family farm on reversing the trends.
- zoot, Manchester
I'm not sure which way I would vote personally, BUT I'm sick and tired of these idiots in office deciding what is best. Let our voices be heard!
- Jane, Derry
- Mike, Manchester
- Kevin, Manchester
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson
The fact that it would be a NON-BINDING referendum proves the legislators simply do not want to hear what we all know...the majority of NH will vote against gay marriage. Put it to the people!!
- DF, Candia
The issue of marriage being arbitrarily redefined to include same sex couples is a prime example of the members of the legislature failing to represent the desires of their constituents.
A non-binding referenda is a legitimate method of discovering the true will of the majority. I'm highly suspicious of anyone who would fight asking such a question harboring a vastly overinflated opinion of their own importance.
- Michael D. Houst, Barrington, NH
The Governor has to be our voice now that the Senate has decided to totally silence us on this issue! He has to speak up for the voters of New Hampshire! At the very least, that's one reason he was elected - to be our voice when others try to silence us. I hope he's not totally deaf as well, or did the Senate silencing us make it equally as impossible for him to hear us as it did our so-called representatives? Governor Lynch? Can you hear us now?
- Karen Grube, San Diego, CA
- Richard, Manchester
Voters who care about this state not being taken over by the extreme left really need to work to get the vote out, it's the only way to send the clearest message possible.
- Patty, Bedford
- Mike, Dunbarton
- Paula, Manchester
- Ben, Manchester
- Eric Shirley, Belmont, NH
They know that if it comes to a general vote, they will lose miserably and have to admit that all that static was caused by mostly out of state people and NOT the general populus of this state.
- Pauline, Franklin
- Jeff, Manchester, NH
- R, Raymond
Lets see what survives the light of day.
- JP, Warner
As it appears on the front page of this newspaper, "There is nothing so powerful as truth." Daniel Webster
- Mike, Manchester
- Nate, Canaan
I know I am a bigot and a homophobe because I have something with my wife that is not the same as two of the same gender. When Unions went to pass you should have done your homework and gotten what you were looking for. You got unions and that is what is it not a marriage and not you want more ? I guess in a year or so you will get more than a male and female marriage.
- We the people, nh
- P. Gattinella, Kingston
- Tom, Campton
- Mike, Nottingham
- R. Cassidy, Hudson
Put it up for vote next year, and be done with it.
- Harry, Atkinson
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