YOUR COMMENTS

So of approximately 11,500 represented workers, only 6378 (55%) were sent ballots. The rest were disenfranchised. Only 4741 (41%) voted. In the final tally 2708 (24%) voted against the contract. So, in a grand display of democarcy, 76% of state workers were done in either with no voice (disenfranchised) or apathy (no return) or losing to a small plurality.
- John D, Manchester

I don't understand why everyone is only focusing on only the issue of furlough days. That was one small clause in a big contract. But I suppose if I wanted to slander people so the public didn't feel bad after I fired them I'd make them seem like ignorant fools who'd rather get laid off then lose a few vacation days. If I were the Gov. I don't think I would talk about how in the contract I imposed a handful of proposals that would strip away a portion of the benefits that made serving your state appealing in the first place. If I were the Gov. I certainly wouldn't talk about how i planned to raise the cost of health insurance, bleeding more money out of the wallets of hard working Americans with families and forcing them to pay up to Big Business America. I for one think Mr. Lynch is doing a very poor job, not only as governor but also as a fellow citizen of the granite state, and should be considered for one of these 700 layoffs that are soon to ensue. During the heated parts of the economic crisis I don't really remember the Gov. having too many press conferences ensuring the state of his plans to help solve the crisis locally, instead all I remember reading was an article in this paper about what kind of muffins he prefers to eat. The national unemployment rate is improving while our state’s unemployment is falling, who's to blame? "Live free or die" is how it's written and it's how it should be done. So to all who posted prior, don't knock what you don't understand and I hope it felt righteous belittling your neighbors for standing up for their rights.
- Chris, Derry

What a bunch of whiners. The SEA could have done those furloughs standing on their head. The decision to reject this contract makes no sense when you consider the other option: layoffs. Most people are thankful to just be working today and this is another example of collective bargaining at it's finest where the bargaining unit negotiates themselves right out of jobs.
- John, Manchester

This is an all or nothing union vote. People want to blame the governor well, the union did this to the workers. The state workers can blame anybody they want but when their union heads told the sheep to vote no, a majority did exactly that and this is the end result.
My only question is, why not lay off the union heads first? Then the employees should toss out all the union leadership as well and then renegotiate.
There was a time and a place for a union but this is not one of them. The union is responsible for being irresponsible in its direction and lack of leadership.
- Mike, Manchester

And they say "DA-Nile" is just a river in Egypt... If you ignore it, maybe it will just GO away....
Real nice way of representing your fellow workers!! Instead of taking a few cuts here and there like EVERY other person in the country we'll just put everyone’s lively hood on the line.
Sorry folks, Unions were great at a time when people’s safety and support were needed most. The only thing a union does now is take money out of your pocket each week and puts in into someone else’s. If that’s what the SEA calls support, I want nothing to do with it!
The ironic part about this whole thing is even Hoffa would have made a deal with the state
- Ryan, Mancheseter

Unfortunately for the formerly Great state of New Hampshire, we allowed a full complement of liberals into the state government. In turn, we increased debt 30%, increased social programs, allowed for same sex marriages, increased all retirement benefits for state and county employees and now the hurt will come. I hate to see anyone lose their employment, but I also hate to see our New Hampshire now become a liberal massachusetts like state with too big government. And whoever brought up EZ pass was right. Its a pathetic display of how incompetant our state has become. It costs me $5.50 a day to go to work and I get to sit on the Sullivan bridge an hour a day !!! But the pols get to Concord just fine on 93....
- Mundo, Dover

I am as a lot of the ignorant commenters on here put a "useless" State Worker, and I am one of the ones who voted "yes" on the contract. I have worked for the private sector and am currently working for the State.

I am a hard working (definately not over paid) mother trying to make ends meet. so to all of you people out there calling us useless and leeches then you need to get your facts straight. Just remember what comes around goes around and when you are laughing because that Health worker, Corrections Officer, or even State Trooper gets laid off and you need them, keep laughing because when you are suing the State because you did not get the proper help that you feel YOU deserve then remeber how happy you were we got laid off.
- dl, manchester

Unbelievable, -lay-offs rather than furloughs as a matter of union pride. Sheep is the only thing that comes to mind, following the lead of a leadership that will probably maintain their jobs. The good news is that you will all now have the experience of dealing with state employees, your former brethren. Feel free to enjoy their singular, lazy, pompus attitudes as we have for years.
- ross, northwood

The bubble is about to pop! This would be a great time for Lynch to lay off the "dead wood" employees who are lazy and have been doing nothing for so long. Welcome to reality state employees.
- Eddie, Nashua

Hmmm...amazing how on the news at noon, all of a sudden the 750 jobs that WERE going to be lost is down to about 300. So much for that scare tactic.

To all of you in the "real world", I'd like to see what you make, after your benefits. Then lets compare it with what the "greedy" state worker makes! I'm willing to bet it's not as rosy as you people seem to think.

These state workers are taxpayers too, anything that happens not only affects their pay, but THEIR taxes too! Don't think that these people took their votes lightly!
- Pat, Concord

The problem is which positions they will lay off. Knowing how it works, they will only lay off positions that will be very noticeable to everyone. For example, they will make the lines at the DMV hours long, they will poorly maintain roads in the winter, state offices will put people on hold forever, etc.

This is how they prove their "point" about how needed these state workers are. Instead of letting go the senior workers behind the scenes who accomplish next to nothing, they will only let go people that will be directly noticed. Sad but true.
- John, Dover

As I read the comments it is quite obvious to me that most of you don't know the whole truth. The furlough days were not the issue. We learned to accept that part. The issue is the Lynch made it an ALL OR NOTHING contract. Where is the fairness in that? We have given up any pay increases.. we have given up school reimbursement...we pay into our medical insurance. THESE are the reasons that many of us have stayed State employees. The benefits made up for our low pay. But those benefits are long gone. So what now?
This isn't about just furlough days. There was NO guarantee whatsoever for us workers. REGARDLESS of the vote....there were MANY layoffs coming.
Don't let Lynch fool you..... the layoffs were coming no matter what.
Please look more into what you are commenting about and stop assuming.
- Kristen, New Durham

M from Manchester: exactly. There are tons of lazy, ineffective workers because of bumping rights (which basically say that people who have been there for awhile don't have to work anymore). Pay increases and job security should be based on merit like it is in the real world.

State employees are in a dream world.
- CDR, Lebanon

I am a State Employee who worked in the private sector for 20 years, prior to taking a job at the State. I voted yes on the contract because Furlough days are preferable to being laid off, however I have seen many contracted retirees who are in unclassified, high paid positions who smoke all day or walk around the building. These people should be the first to go. Supervisors should also have more say in who goes, there is alot of dead wood around the agencies who are protected by seniority, they should be the next to go.
- M, Manchester

Gov. Lynch has been quite clear. Take the deal or there will be layoffs. The Union leadership now wants to go back to the bargaining table like nothing has happened. It's too bad that anyone has to needlessly lose their job but tough times demand tough solutions. It's too bad that the UL can't print a list of the yeas and nays so that co-workers will know who to thank for being unemployed.
- Sam, Dover

I'm a "fair share" employee, so I didn't even get a chance to vote on the contract - even though the union takes about 60% of normal union dues from my pocket. But I say it will be better to let the chips fall where they may regarding layoffs for a few, than for all to give away so much up front when history shows the state will not give back what it has taken. After working in the "real world" for almost 20 years, I took this state job some years ago fully knowing that my salary was way below what the private sector was paying - but some job security and benefits made up the difference. So don't think being a state worker is all good; trade-offs are made.

Bye the way, it is YOUR state representatives that passed the laws that de-facto require a union for state employees (RSA 273-A), and continue to turn down Right to Work Laws for NH. So if you don't like the socialist/collectivist union mentality that reigns, vote in people that believe in personal liberty and responsability.
- State Employee, Working in Concord

I agree, dumb move..take the furloughs atleast they would still have a job! As the saying goes "Cutting off their nose to spite their face" Maybe their jobs will be available for the rest of us? I'll take it!
- Lisa, Salem, NH

I'm glad the union rejected this. Maybe the Depts will realize they can live without some of those positions and permenently axe them (but maybe they will be hamstrung by the empty position). Maybe they will layoff the least productive workers and replace some of them with energetic smarter workers (but maybe they will loose valuable energetic, smart, and experienced workers). I guess the State bureaucracy is more slightly more likely to come out of layoffs leaner and more productive than coming out of temporary forloughs.
- Jim, Manchester

Well you all could have kept your jobs, but the union is greedy and so are all of you. So many people have taken cuts and sacrificed to keep their jobs. A job is better than none. Everyone is making sacrifices this year and why should state employees be any different. I know how this union works and I have personally been affected by it in the past. This union is only out for their interests and not the workers. I commend Lynch on not backing down and letting the union bully him. All of you whiners could have kept your jobs but you got greedy, you reap what you sow and you are no different from people who do not work for the state. Go cry to someone who cares, no one.
- Ryan, Manchester

The Unions want it all, no furloughs, guaranteed raises, no layoffs. Let them lose their jobs. I have been un-employed for 22 months and would take a job with the State in a heartbeat at less of a wage than is currently enjoyed and be happy to be working. Shame on State workers and the Union for being so shortsighted to see how lucky they are to have a job, period.
- Bob P., Hooksett

I've never heard so many crying babies as I have with this SEA of people.
Good luck finding a job in the real world.

Should have accepted the contract and kept your easy 9-5 jobs.

Foolish people doing foolish things.
- Catrina Welch-Bolodeau, Hooksett NH

YOUR UNION is going to Lay You OFF!!!
YOUR UNION did this to you!!
- Larry, Nashua

No, Jim in Raymond, Gov. Lynch did NOT offer us a "reasonable compromise". We offered him options that would have led to savings of $99 million, twice what would be saved by his "reasonable compromise". How is his unwillingness to even consider that deal reasonable? And Brandon, all the technology in the world will not produce better services. We won't even staff the IT services we have now properly, and we ALWAYS go low bid, so where is the efficiency in that? As well, state employees are already doing more with less, with all the existing vacancies, and there is no more to give from the current employees. It's easy to say these things when you have no idea what you are talking about. But just so you know: the Governor was offered SEVERAL viable options to this contract, and he simply put his blinders on. That is not good faith bargaining.
- Dick, Gilmanton

"What were it's options? The people of this State can't be this naive, they can't be!!
- Johnny, Nashua"
The options were the same as the ones that we had my job. Everyone takes a pay cut, or a chunk of people lose their jobs. We chose the pay cut. Lots of people have made that same choice this year. That is why people are disgusted by union members being willing to sacrifice the jobs of others in order to keep their pay the same.
- Jeff, Manchester

Geez... I wish I had a pension plan, more than 8 paid holidays per year, and a strict 9-5 work week.

Like my boss says... there are plenty of people waiting in line for your job if you don't want it.

Well, at least the Union heads won't have to worry about getting laid off. Let them eat cake!
- Angelo, Manchester, NH

Union leadership should be the first to go. If they believe that much in the path they have forged, by all means - let them be the first to walk it.

Try perhaps blending sick days and vacation days into one paid time off bucket - that saves money. Get rid of most state cars for people who can damn well drive to work and maintain their own cars like the rest of us - that saves money. Throwing the necks of hundreds of people on the line was not a good choice.
- Suzanne, Concord

What I have never understood is the perception that cutting state workers will always result in decreased level of services. Let me be more specific. IT IS possible to cut employees and yet still offer more services than one had before. We simply need to increase productivitity. If we hold the line on spending for raises, invest in new equipment, pay for performance, we can increase our level of services without bankrupting our citizens with new fees and taxes.
- Brandon LaRoche, Rollinsford NH

If the state employees didn't have bumping rights and people were promoted based on merit, then the governor would know who should be laid off. But since the SEA doesn't live in the real world and has policies that reward laziness, the wrong people will probably get laid off. I hope we can end bumping rights in this state.
- CDR, Lebanon

Shame on all you of who think that all State workers deserve to be laid off, and that we all voted for this... Some of us voted to Save our jobs. Some of us work hard and know how hard it is to find a job. People should stop thinking that all State workers are lazy and work of your tax money. You should not say anything until you are in our shoes. Good luck to my fellow workers who voted Yes.....
- state worker, Concord

Here is an idea, vote in Republicans and conservative Democrats in 2010 that will bring the budget back to the managable level. SEIU is as responsible for this mess as any other private party since the lobbying done for Democrats now raised the NH budget beyond control. Want to fix the mess? Then vote in the people who will trim the fat in government without any fear of SEIU or lobbyists.
- WLK, Rochester

Very unfortunate - kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
- Lou, Bedford

How about you all have another vote? Vote to boot the unions, keep your extortion money that would otherwise go to them and keep your jobs! A win-win for everyone!
Do the math folks- how much do you pay these thugs a year?
- Pauline, Franklin

OK, so what's next? Surly state workers at (pick an agency) working slo-o-o-wly so they can jam the system. Complaining to each of us who are forced to deal with them. I don't need to hear their complaints about how overworked they are.

If the Governor needs unpaid volunteers to fill in for laid off workers, I'm in. Just make a public announcement and I'll sign up.
- Bill, Manchester

FACE REALITY - I'm sorry that people have to lose their jobs, but the economy is real. It has happened in the private sector over and over again when the tide shifts - it's now time the state adjusts its workforce accordingly. This union has done a terrible injustice by recommending a rejection. Gov. Lynch will have every write to layoff any number of workers necessary to come within budget. As a citizen, I will be more understanding if the roads are cleared just a bit slower this winter. Or, perhaps, the remaining state workers will be dedicated and smart about realizing not everyone's job is safe - performance is key.
- Mark Ridel, Manchester, NH

Here is my question. The union had the opportunity to save jobs and chose not to. Could that be deemed a voluntary quit? I mean, why should they get unemployment when they had the opportunity to save their jobs? So either way the state will be spending money regardless of layoffs or not.

To the Union heads, I hope you are now satisfied that your posturing got employees laid off. If the State Workers were smart they would fire their union heads and get another union.
- Mike, Manchester

No one likes to be put in a position to choice either take time off without pay or take layoffs. I am a union member in the private union sector with family in the public union sector . As union members the state workers made their choice, now they will need to live with it. Instead of everyone taking a small hit to keep everyone working. They chose to CYA and let 700+ people lose their job.

It is not all the union members fault either. With a state that is not taking in revenue to pay for the services we currently are receiving. But in fact add to the budget to increase spending, what part of negative spending do you see a problem with? When my company slows down, we have layoffs with recall rights when it picks back up again.

But when the citizens/business of NH are no longer employed/operating and cannot pay taxes something has to give. To the state workers that are upset, you should be! But reality is, it is a supply and demand. When the private sector takes a hit, so will you.
- Bill, Manchester

JP from Hooksett sounds like a true union representative. We're all ignorant and they are the smart ones!
State employees receive 100% paid medical upon retirement. Only in the State of NH.
Gov Lynch stand firm and let them walk. The SEA needs a rude awakening.
- Lynn, Nashua

The SEA is solely to blame for this. They want to go back to the table, get real President Gary Smith. This is just the beginning of the end for SEA. SEA pushing for this contract to fail is like yelling fire in a crowded theater, with union members running for the doors. There is no unity, only division lines that will get deeper once people are laid off.

The State Employees need a union with brains and braun, both of which SEA has clearly demonstrated they have neither.
- Mike, Dover

A great place for the layoffs to start would be environmental enforcement types who trip over a weed and discover a wetland.
- Lester Bradley, Thornton

Johnny in Nashua

You are really out of touch. Go ahead and strike or better yet, quit. Do you have any idea how many people are out of work right now that would just love to take your job?
- Maria, Manchester, NH

The contract covers +/-11,500 employees and 2708 voted no. Hmmmm.
- Steve, Franconia

Well the geniuses that represent the Union have done it this time. I won't pile on th the rank and file State Workers. I know a bunch of them, and they genuinely want to do a good job. But the people that are advising them...that's another story!!!!The rest of us are sucking it up in these tough times, and they should too!!! on what planet does losing your job put you in a better spot than taking 19 days off???? It just contravenes all logic. As an aside, what if the laid off state workers are delayed in getting their unemployment pay because the State had to lay off a bunch of people at the Unemployment Office?
The 1930's are over, and the Unions should be over too. I'm guessing that there are 750 new people who would agree with me this morning as well.
- Captain America, Stoddard

To Dave E. in Kingston
The State Police and F&G are not part of the SEA and have their own separate contract so I believe this will not involve them. If it does they can thank their friends at the SEA.
- Andy, Barrington

It would be interesting to hear if affected individual state employees start notifying their supervisors, Dept of Personnel, and the governor's office that they, as individuals, would accept the furlough program in order to keep their jobs - effectively bumping those state employees who would rather be laid off.
- David R, Manchester

The phrase, cutting off your nose to spite your face, comes to mind
- Craig, Manchester

I'm sorry to all of those about to be let go. I wish unions cared about those they represented more than the money their union heads make. I would have taken the days off without pay rather than being let go right now.

Gov. Lynch I know it isn't going to be easy to let these people go but you did your best to try and save their jobs.
- Maria, Manchester, NH

Oh boy, more in the unemployment line. Good for you guys not to accept the newest contract. At least now you'll have plenty of time off to enjoy standing in line at the "hand out places".
- Lara Olson, Manchester NH

If they don't want to take 19 days off over two years, lets see how they like taking 365 days off per year...
- steve, nashua

I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who end up getting the ax are the people who voted yes. Another shining example of the me, me, me mentality that exsists with the P.P.P. (public payroll patriots).
- Dale A., Manchester

People who are not state employees are looking at this the wrong way. If the union had accepted the proposal, state government would have been shut down for a number of days for furloughs. That means no state services for the taxpayers.

Now, we get the same savings, and government stays open. How is this not a good thing? Great job, state employees!
- Glen, Manchester, NH

What happened to the 1,600 who didn't have enough involvement in their own jobs to vote? So much for brother and sisterhood. I'm sure the leadership will be on hand to deliver union sponsored benefits to those laid off to help them pay the mortgage, health insurance, put food on the table and help keep you warm. Maybe the SEIU will steer you to the Civilian Service Corps that brother Obama has waiting. Whatever the machinery, I am sure they have it firmly in place - kind of a cast iron parachute.
- Paul, Dover

What is funny is the union is trying to talk tough to the Governonr, but when he runs for re-election he will have their support since neither the SEA, nor the SEIU will EVER support a republican / conservative. So why bother with the tough talk?
- Gus, Manchester

Since when is cutting back wrong and laying off everyone right! I say lay off the representatives of the union first and see how they like losing their jobs! The union officials never lose their pay it was the same forty years ago. If there are layoffs let it be based on job performance not on who you know!!!! Unfortunately across the country the purple jackets are controlling us more and more instead of common sense!!!!! Wake up and keep the jobs and just cut back on expenses like the rest of us had to do in the private sector.
- Ellen, Windham

Having talked with more than a few State employees, and read a lot in the UL and other papers about how out of touch they are with the current economic problem, it comes as no surprize that they chose to throw eacj other under the bus rather than accept that they might have to join other people in the state and stuck up a little. They have no one to blame but themselves. Hope the unemployment offices are open for you folks.
- jeff, Goffstown

Amusing how taxpayers can be led like blind sheep by this Governor. This issue has been "spun" so wildly away from the State and towards the workers. And you all buy it ... too funny.

Lynch held a gun to the worker's heads with two rediculous options, and now tries to get you to believe he is the good guy in all this.

State workers did not "choose" layoffs, the Governor and your legislature did!! I am sick of hearing that union is the culpret. What were it's options? The people of this State can't be this naive, they can't be!!

I have a new proposal ... Vote for the new contract with one additional clause ... "Right To Strike". What do you say Mr. Governor? Let me guess.
- Johnny, Nashua

I have had a pay freeze. My husband has had a pay freeze and twenty-five days of furlough in one year. In the reality of this economy you have to make sacrifices that you don't want to do. It's better to have a job than be out there looking. Right now I don't have sympathy for the state workers. I work in a similar situation and you have to look around at everyone else who is working to pay your salary. If they're in difficult times you will be too.
- js, hooksett, nh

Let all who voted their convictions be the ones to identify themselves as candidates for layoffs. Your fellow workers probably already know who the naysyers are-they should be the first to go. Why should others pay the price for you standing on your soapbox and your myopic vision of the world workplace. If that unemployment line isn't mostly purple T-shirts, we will all know that the "no's" are a bunch of cowards.
- Greg, Concord

I dont wish a layoff on anyone - state worker or otherwise. Its unfortunate, and people who give 100% arent always the ones who get to keep their jobs - that's something the union protects and promotes and thats the most horrid thing about unions - people will lose thir jobs based on seniority, not productivity. They have a feeling of "entitlements". Sorry for the news flash folks, but automatic raises a re no longer "deserved" - they are a luxury, especially in many small businesses right now. Its sad that your fellow workers voted for some of you to get the ax instead of everyone sharing equally in a few furloughed days.....typical union attitude. Dont blame Lynch for this one.
- Joyce F, Londonderry

I agree with Barry in Woodsville. The problem with the unions is that you can't get rid of the useless dead weight, they are practically guaranteed a job. I had to take a 10% cut at my job earlier this year but at least I still have a job and I'm grateful for that. But even with accepting a pay cut, or a union member accepting furloughs, there is no guarantee! That's life in this economy, get used to it. The problem here is that a lot of good people will lose their jobs instead of the people who deserve to. I know of a state employee who leaves the jobsite during the day on all kinds of personal errands and thinks nothing of it. It is people like that who should be let go, regardless if they have 20 years working there.
- Stephanie, Salem

AG in Berlin,

I live on a private road and maintain 1/2 a mile of road. This is about the SEIU not you personally. I do not call and complain about things to the state. I beleive in self reliance!. Did you vote to keep you job or loose it. That is what it is about......... You of all from Berlin should see how tough it is for the many unemployed, the union did not help them and the SEIU is not going to help you. They want your money not to help you hold your job in tough times.
- Tammy, Lancaster

to all you anti state workers. your ignorant about the facts and the jobs. hope you someday get your g.e.d.
- jp, hooksett

Ok here's my prediction, there will be temporary layoffs, how layoffs work in government and in the corporate world s the difference between night and day. When you get laid off in the corporate world its the permanent goodbye.

This will be a long process, first there is bumping rights which means it doesn't matter work ethic or lack there of means nothing, it's going to be seniority rights that will keep the veteran workers employed, even if their jobs are targeted they can bump a junior worker.

The other part is that this will be like a vacation for many as they get put on a special list in the Office of Personnel, the list that John Q Public doesn't get on. So the first job opening for which they are qualified their phone will be a jingling.

My theory is that once the economy improves these folks will be back on the job, as I said, this will be a mere vacation since there really are no layoffs
in government.
- Jack Alex, Manchester

An article titled "Sen. Betsi DeVries: NH sowing seeds of recovery..." the last words in the article read as follows; "A responsive Democratic State Legislature that will keep our economy the envy of other states well into the future." Guess Sen. DeVries missed the budget that was passed by the majority of Democrats both in the Senate and House of Representatives that passed 300 new taxes and fees onto the citizens of New Hampshire and included the state workers as well. So to pay for those new taxes, the state will ask all those on unemployment this year to pay the state back next year during tax time even though the recession will be still going on and people will still be laid off around the state. The Senate and House of Representatives next plan, if that fails to yield a response, is to inact an income tax on the citizens of NH to pay for their continued spending spree. How else are they going to pay back the stimulus money granted by the Federal Government? Let this be a lesson in history, we need real change in our state government and change in our pockets not taken from us. Otherwise more of us will be sitting curb side with cardboard signs that read; "Will work under the table so the state can't take my money".
- Robert M Tarr, Manchester

The lay offs have to happen, We are way to top heavy for the job. They fight for more money and we support them. I have heard many say I deserve to get a raise, get in the real world boy and girls, we also need to get rid of some outside venders like Easy-pass, 25% just to some driver can save 3 seconds at the tax payers expense. A Governor that knows what he is doing would be good. You should see that new house and no, he did not build it on state money but it is a token to show that he will be comfortable no matter what happens.
- John, Candia

My wife is an LNA who cares for elderly residents who have mental disabilities in a State run facility. She prides herself in treating these residents like family, believing that you treat others as you would want to be treated. As an LNA you are the "grunt" who does the changing of the briefs for those who are incontient, the personal care, etc. She works hard and appreciates the benefits she receives for herself and our family. If this facility is forced to lay off some of its employees, this is going to create more stress in an enviroment that is already very stressful. The standard of care is not being met now, how will fewer workers make this better? This is only one example out of how many state run facilities in this state? We can all hope that the fat being trimmed is in areas that there is excess, but in reality, some of the workers that may be laid off may be employees that give 110 % and the employee not cut is the one who abuses the sick time, has a poor work ethic and does not take pride in their work. Let the layoffs begin so many have written. I say, let the layoffs be based on work performance, attendance and written evaluations. Keep the workforce positive and strong. Trim the deadweight that brings everyone else down. Lets try to keep the standard of care the best it can be and show those who try to give 110 % that their efforts were noticed and rewarded as an incentive to move on and continue to work hard.
If the layoffs are based solely on "last hired, first fired" we as a State will lose so many good employees. Many of you have written comments that the union workers don't appreciate what they have. For us personnally I can vouch that we do appreciate not only the benefits but simply having a job. It just doesn't seem right to allow the ones who don't appreciate what they have in a State Job to remain while the hard working mom supporting three kids gets laid off. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers, regardless of how you feel regarding the Union or the State. These people facing layoffs are your neighbors, your friends or even your family. Thank you for reading and please comment on the suggestion that layoffs should be based on work performance. It would interesting to see what the general opinion is regarding that.
- Barry, Woodsville

So it seems that Gov. Lynch has no interest in being Governor of this state any longer ~ good luck in the next election.
- Dawn, Littleton

I'm sorry all state workers aren't a bunch of lazy useless workers who all deserve to be shown the door. I have only worked for the state for 3 years. Previously, I earned my Masters in Education at night while working full time in the private sector at a non-profit placement center for Juvenile Delinquents. I performed this work while supporting my wife, a 2 year-old and supporting a home. And yes, I paid cash at PSU. Upon earning my M.Ed. and NH teaching certificate, I chose to teach at one of our state prisons. I am 1:300 and love every minute of it.

What many do not think about is when someone like me gets laid off, I will leave the state. I will no longer be Pack Leader of the local Cub Scout group, I will no longer be part of the church and one the many other local charities I support. I will no longer pay taxes in the state of NH.

The social implications may outweigh many of the economic implications.
- Steven Letourneau, Berlin

Can't say that I'll feel sorry for any of these laid off workers, after all they spoke and decided that they'd rather have layoffs over a pay cut
- DG, Bedford

State Employees will now just collect unemployment that the state has to pay and services will continue as well as the economy in a downward spiral. Isn't it tiem we thought about spending millions to build a new 1/2 shell at
Hampton Beach....Isn't it time to look for alternative revenue souces for NH i.e. Video gaming.....Cut services and you wont have troopers responding to help in Mt. Vernon cases. You will see riots at the prisons. The govenor needs to look at this closely as the state will be paying out some major law suits in the near future when all the bad stuff starts to happen. If the snow plows are not out and you get another 50 car pile up in the winter. I think folks will suing if they lose a loved one due to not having enough staff to keep the public safe. This is an embarassment to our state that the Govenor doesn't support his own people in low paying service jobs. We all know these emyploees are not gettign rich and there is still openings. Who really want to even be a state employee. I don't think I would with all the stigma attached to it.
- Tom, Hooksett

State Employees have it all so good - gettign bashed by the unemployed, folks making a lot more money in the private sector. Now were in bad tiems state employees are just supossed to give up there wages, benefits and when the econemy turns arounds we will get evertythign back right....Lay off whoever needs to be prison guards - let the riots begin ...DMV stand in line for hours who cares....Snow plowers -stay home as the roads wont be plowed. Yeah being a state employee is so great that is why there are plenty of opening - just go to www.nh.gov and go to the human resouces section. I think eveyone forgets we pay the same taxes and have families and have to pay bills too. Yeah we have a gjob now big deal maybe we should work for half wages....when the econemy improves and your back making the big $$$'s we will be stuck with low wages, good benefits and everyones perception that we dont do anything, were lazy. So yeah just apply and sign up perhaps you will hired and realize being a state employee is not all its cracked up to be. Unless the job and low wages isn't good enough for you. Some folks would rather collect unemployment and wait for there 60K+ job to return and just bash state employees because were working. Feel free to come onboard for 30K again its www.nh.gov. We need good workers help make a difference or maybe you truly know its a low paying thankless job afterall otherwise you woudl be working with us. Its easy to not walk or work in our shoes and talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words please apply and come to work and help us.
- Bill, Concord

Good thing Governor Lynch came out strong against the expansion of legalized gambling on the eve of the vote...we wouldn't want to actually create jobs in NH when he can just lay off all those state workers who will now be eligible to collect unemployment and we don't have the money to even pay the existing unemployed!
- Charles, Salem

State Employees have it all so good - gettign bashed by the unemployed, folks making a lot more money in the private sector. Now were in bad tiems state employees are just supossed to give up there wages, benefits and when the econemy turns arounds we will get evertythign back right....Lay off whoever needs to be prison guards - let the riots begin ...DMV stand in line for hours who cares....Snow plowers -stay home as the roads wont be plowed. Yeah being a state employee is so great that is why there are plenty of opening - just go to www.nh.gov and go to the human resouces section. I think eveyone forgets we pay the same taxes and have families and have to pay bills too. Yeah we have a gjob now big deal maybe we should work for half wages....when the econemy improves and your back making the big $$$'s we will be stuck with low wages, good benefits and everyones perception that we dont do anything, were lazy. So yeah just apply and sign up perhaps you will hired and realize being a state employee is not all its cracked up to be. Unless the job and low wages isn't good enough for you. Some folks would rather collect unemployment and wait for there 60K+ job to return and just bash state employees because were working. Feel free to come onboard for 30K again its www.nh.gov. We need good workers help make a difference or maybe you truly know its a low paying thankless job afterall otherwise you woudl be working with us. Its easy to not walk or work in our shoes and talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words please apply and come to work and help us.
- Bill, Concord

How many of the union leaders will be among those laid off? Does anyone know?
- Guy Plante, Manchester

This whole situation is shameful and really makes NH look stupid. For those state workers who get laid off, good luck. I have many talented, highly educated friends who are laid off and cant even get an interview in this economy. I have a feeling in about 3 months or so after being laid off this contract is going to start looking very good to all of you.
- Rob, Portsmouth

Let the layoffs begin with the state employees who voted against the contract.

You folks should be greatful that you even have a job in this economy - but remember to stand your ground in the unemployment line.
- Mike, Concord

if the employees insist on being unionized fine. Fire enough of them so that unemployment of state emplyees matches that of citizens. If the state reaches 10% unemployment, then fire 10% of the state employees. Why should they have a job with no chance of losing it when the economy tanks and the very government that employs them with my money can't even balance a budget?

Maybe its time for the state employees to step up and de-unionize.
- Michael Layon, Derry

We the tax payers who pay their salaries get no guaranties for our jobs, why should they? My son has had furloughs, believe me, it's better than losing a job. Let em go!
- Paula, Manchester

My perception is that LEO in this State is stretched way to thin as it is. The Troopers are highly visible, drive thru Mass and you won't see as many troopers on patrol but Mass has ten x more troopers on the payroll. The F&G COs are understaffed and have a hard job, they will be out straight for the next three months. We need LE now more than ever. Gov. Lynch you should be hiring LE not laying off!
- Dave, E. Kingston

My union friends my heart goes out to you and I truly believe in and support unions but I think you made the wrong decision. Governor Lynch is backed into a corner here, every state in the union is facing this problem. He offered you a reasonable realistic compromise to save as many jobs as possible given the circumstances. Up until now state workers have been sheltered from the poor economy while so many others have not, unfortunately that is about to change.

You could have taken a short-term loss now and renegotiated your contract at a later date when the economy recovers.

I’m a staunch Union supporter but as a realist and a taxpayer I must support Governor Lynch on this matter. It was a reasonable offer and you should have taken it.

I implore you all to rethink this decision and go back to the table there is still time. See if you can negotiate the furloughs to be taken consecutively so you can collect unemployment during that time. At least you will preserve your benefits and many of us union supporters will support a renegotiation when the economy recovers, I certainly will. Please, rethink this and save some jobs. I’d rather see you guys take a short-term loss now and regain it tomorrow than see a giant permanent loss of jobs. I want you all to keep your jobs please, please, please reconsider.
- Jim, Raymond NH

Keith from Chester said, "By all means do not hold the Goveror accountable for any of this..." Why not? Your fellow co-workers (and soon to be ex-workers) will.
- Ryan, Hooksett

The problem for many of us state workers was not the furloughs themselves. The problem was that there were indications that layoffs would still happen even if the contract with furloughs was accepted. Many were simply looking for wording in the contract that would protect jobs if furloughs were accepted.

Many state positions, such as police, firefighters and healthcare workers to name a few, must be staffed 24/7. If I get a furlough day off, that's great--I can go spend it with my kids. However, SOMEBODY has to staff my shift. So, one of my co-workers, who has already put in 40 hours, gets to work my shift at time and a half pay, instead of the straight time I would have been paid. If the governor is trying to save money, this isn't the way to go about it!
- Liz, Nashua

All you people that are calling state employees, "selfish", "greedy", and saying, "let the lay offs begin", have no clue about the average state employee. Yes, we are so overpaid that we need to work two jobs just to try to make ends meet. And it's not just furloughs vs. lay offs as the media wants the public to think. There is so much more to the contract than that. Just like in the private sector we have our administrators that are way too many in number and are overpaid, but that is not the majority of us and they won't be the ones getting laid off, it will be us hard working, caring people......to all of you throwing stones, ignorance must be bliss!
- State Employee, Concord

Today I am embarrassed to be associated with the ignorant selfish union members that voted to have their coworkers lose their jobs. How can I go to work tomorow and look the union members in the eye.
- Embarrassed to be a State Employee, Concord

How could so many workers be suckered into the union's propaganda? Its a shame. As someone who has worked on projects with the State I know first hand that they do not have the resources now to do what they have to do; let alone, when 10% of them are laid off. In a time when the economy is terrible, jobs are scarce and recovery is slow, it would be best not to anger the hand that feeds you. I hope Lynch does not go back to the bargaining table; these Union leaders do not deserve one more minute of his time. I hope Gary Smith can afford some top-end snow tires, because he'll need them when driving on poorly paved roads this winter. Also, I hope he doesn't have to renew his drivers license anytime soon; or register his boat; or start an LLC, or go on Medicaid. He, and everyone else will just need wait a little bit longer.

Ridiculous, embarrassing, selfish and shameful.
- Sean Brennan, Manchester

There isn't one private sector firm in today's economic situation (or even if was in better times!) to guarantee any type of job stability or guarantee that someone wouldn't be laid off? My God, what is the Union thinking here in advising people to turn down this offer? It's all too familiar a score in today's society, from Wall Street, to right here in NH.....GREED! And the hard working people are the ones who will lose out yet again, at the expense of the fat cat who have longevity. It's a sad day! Governor Lynch comes from the private sector,he knows all too well, the pain that this action causes. Tough decision, Governor - but the right one. Greed has no place in our society - do the right thing and stand firm on this one!
- Mike, Manchester, NH

Gary & peppergas, you appear to stand alone on this issue. The people you work for (we taxpayers)are tired of you're demands. If you don't like the offer on the table. I say give the private sector a shot. Your sense of entitlement will get you places for sure.
Solemn, I hate to break the news to you, but you don't have a right to "a roof over their heads and food on their table.
". Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true. You have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Other than that , you're on your own.
- Ron, Manchester

1,637 ballots were not even returned. Either these were senoir members who care only about themselves and know they won't be laid off, or people were actually too lazy to vote and stuff an envelope. Unless the Ballot Committee misplaced them. Hmmm. Unbelievable.

Lynch, please have some backbone and hand out the pink slips. No 11th hour deals. They made their bed, now let them lie in it.

The 2,078 who voted to reject this should be ashamed. You are NOT standing up to anything. You are NOT standing strong, you are selfish fools.

My heart goes out to the 750 Union members who will lose their jobs because of pure ingnorance on the part of their co-workers!

Shameful-
- DF, Candia

After these layoffs happen, I bet I won't notice an iota of change in my quality of life. What does that tell you?

Every time there's a bill to repeal some needless law so that the state can do less, the public employees are always first in line to fight against liberty. They know that regulating our lives is their job security. Taking the money of productive people is their job security. Lay them off.
- Jack, Concord

You heard them, Lynch.

It's all OK to prolong plowing, virus shots, nursing care, unemployment checks, yet provide early prison releases and decades long debt to any resident of this state.

They're happy now. You should be, too.

I must say, smart playing. Thanks for taking away what was once the NH advantage.

Cheers to you for stealing that money from the medical insurance fund. The tax dollars you are taking from me to fight this lawsuit could have paid for that warm, cardboard box I'll need this winter.
- Harriet, Nashua

This will be just like all of the school budget crises, there won't be a single layoff, this is all a show for the hapless taxpayers to make them believe Government is trying to live within its means. Not one layoff, some early retirements, vacant positions left unfilled, but no layoffs. Guaranteed.
- Dan, Peterborough

Give Gary Smith the first pink slip. The State employees had guaranteed jobs but got too gready when times are tight. Grab the pad of pinks and start writting. Let's get this done before months end....PS..Happy Holidays
- Bill, Belmont

I'm glad they voted it down - now, the governor can trim this fat. Unions are useless, as are their members.
I'm not giving a dime to charity until next year, lest I support one of these layabouts
- Mike, Hooksett, NH

I find it funny that many people feel state employees did not pass this contract because we are greedy (lol) Greed and State employee should never be put in the same sentence. Your ignorance on the matter is obvious. I will leave you now to go count my $1000.00's of dollars under my mattress. Us greedy fat cat state employees who took less wages in hopes for job security appreciate your support. By all means do not hold the Goveror accountable for any of this....
- Keith, Chester

I notice I see no "no" voters bragging... why? Afraid to say who you are??
This is just crazy. How heartless.
- Amy, Nashua

Tammy in Lancaster, people like you tick me off. When the road crew is down to bare minimum this winter and, god forbid, there is a fatal accident on Route 2 I doubt I'll be seeing you on here yelling "Lay them off!!" You will probably be the first to complain that the roads aren't plowed to your satisfaction because there aren't enough workers to keep up with it. You will probably be the first one to be outraged that some poor child is still in a terrible home because there aren't enough DCYF workers left to handle his/her case in a timely manner. You will probably be the first one to complain when an inmate escapes from either the Berlin or Concord prison because the staff there is already stretched too thin and there are already too many inmates. I hope that escapee is not a sex offender since that's what gets everyone riled up on here.

And just how many of the lay-offs do you think are going to come from the governor's staff?

Should I go on? You people all need to be careful what you wish for because it will be the people who are doing the actual WORK that end up getting laid off, not the dead weight at the tops of the ladders.
- AG, Berlin

Let me see if I have this straight -- the union members would prefer mass layoffs of their membership than a few unpaid days for each of them. Now that's "solidarity"!!!
- Serena, Manchester

Roughly speaking, the members had a choice between a 100% chance of an 8% pay cut or an 8% chance of a 100% pay cut. All this vote shows is that more members perceived their jobs to be secure than not. Forget the altruism -- people vote their own (and their families') interest.
- bill_o, manchester

I am willing to bet that there are a lot of "sick calls" from SEA members tomorrow, knowing that they have lost most of the respect of MANY co-workers and soon to be coworkers.
- Jessica, Manchester

I am very upset by the union tactics - I want to continue serving the People of NH, thanks for nothing Union- I don't want to be laid off. I have worked in both the private and public sector. I love what I do. Now my position is in jeopardy.
- R, Manchester

What a bunch of selfish, greedy fools - and being so on the taxpayers dime. Let the layoffs begin. Next, go to work on reducing their outlandish benefits. Bring 'em back down to earth.
- Brian, Farmington

Who are we kidding, this is political show boating from both sides. Its also political posturing..... a game of chicken.

Seen it before, will see it again... Talk is cheap. If Lynch wante to lay off workers, he would not have extended the deadline in the first place, people would have just been laid off.

Lynch does not want to lay off state workers and knows that its the leadership of the SEA that is driving the bus. They have been driving the bus in the wrong direction for years, so what is so different now?

You watch, you will see an 11th hour deal made when it is all said and done. Prior to that deal there will be drama drama and more drama, but in the end you will read how both sides came together and avoided layoffs. SEA looks good, Lynch looks good.

Its from Chapter 6, page 93 - 107 of the Political play book.

Remember you read it here first.
- Jim, Nashua

John-So you would rather forego mandatory furlough days in favor of voluntary unpaid days? Is that what you are saying? Look no more -you have just volunteered for a whole lot of unpaid days. Enjoy.
- Carl, Concord

I voted for the contract. I know all too well the reality of job loss. I was and am appalled and angered that the Union leadership told members to reject it. I have been involved in furloughs - and it is not all that bad. The union pointed fingers at the Governor, like he is the big bad ghoul...well you all blew smoke in our eyes too and confused the issue. I hope some of you will be part of the laid off employees...oh that's right you're union leaders, you won't get laid off will you.
- RLL, Manchester NH

It is time to stop the threats and attempts at intimidation. Whomever is giving the governor advice should be fired and let’s move on. What is interesting on this issue it wasn’t the State Employees leadership that went against the contract it was the members telling the leadership they didn’t want the contract. There are plenty of reasons why; but the main thing is the individual employees that make this state run, that live next door to you and who are loyal, honest and dedicated workers stood their ground against governor threatening layoffs, furloughs, etc, etc. They are republicans, democrats and independents; but, more importantly they are your neighbors and public servants. If the governor does not want a continued political gorilla war until Election Day, I suggest him and the SEA negotiating team sits down and try to reach an agreement.
- peppergas, Exeter

In a recession your neighbor loses his job. In a depression you lose your own job. In a recovery Johnny Lynch loses his job! Congratulations fellow union members!!!! Where one step closer to ending the back stapping Governor's political career.
- Mike, Bedford

And we trust the count? Knowing them (look at the SEA president for that matter) someone tained the vote. People received two and three ballots.
- Jennifer, Manchester

No one feels good about this. There are other ways to save the $25 million. The Gov just has his heart set on mandatory furloughs.
He rejected voluntary unpaid days and other solutions.
- John, Raymond

I am a fair share member and a manager. I will likely not be laid off given my positioning. Regardless, if I could have, I would have voted yes because of fellow worker protection and the fact that we should all feel the pain. This is real life folks. Shame on those who voted to lay off workers and suspend services. But you won your battle and proved your point. Have your victory parties tonight, but make sure you pay for them with cash-next week your credit may not be so good. In the meantime, I will be one of the ones who performs cleanup.
- Greg, Concord

It's unfortunate. Selfish, ignorant people who care only about themselves and don't care at all if their fellow workers get layed off. The only thing the union provides fair share members is the negotiating benefit, we should have been allowed to vote. It is no secret that the fair share vote would have resulted in the contract being ratified. Those of you who voted no deserve what you asked for.
- State employee, Concord

The dems (including Lynch) are beholden to the unions - not a single state worker will actually lose their job - bank on it. Lots of tough talk but in the end nothing will happen - as usual.
- chris, nashua

It is called 'Cutting off your nose to spite your face'. Aren't unions wonderful?
- Bill, Wolfeboro

Whatever happened to labor unions representing everyone and not just the senior members? Does the SEA understand the current economic situation in NH and the country? You should all be grateful to have a job unlike the 9.8% of us without jobs. Just goes to show how spoiled these state workers are. Gov Lynch you have my upmost respect for making the tough decisions for the taxpayers of the State of NH.
- Rick, Nashua

The SEIU is a joke. Shame on its selfish members who could have saved jobs by simply taking the furlough. I'll be canceling my membership as soon as possible and encourage other members of SEIU to do the same.
- Matt, Portsmouth

Fortunately, the state's attempt to force feed a bad contract down the throats of its workers has been rejected! Perhaps now real and serious negotiations for a realistic contract can commence. Further and because the state's politicians have fully funded 1,359 VACANT positions, there is NO need to have layoffs nor furlough days! If they occur, then they should be at the feet of the un-classified and non-classified (political appointees) as they are the grossly over-paid and under-worked employees of the state.
- Gary L. Kerr, Chichester

What is wrong with these people. During these tough economic times, they would rather be unemployed, which is what is going to happen. Unions are great but unfortunatley they take a back seat to a lagging economy! Unreal. In NH all striking workers can be replaced, and they don't have to be rehired.
- Davin, Manchester

Seems smart, we just voted to layoff hundreds of our co-workers. We could've had 19 days off in 2 years to spend time with our kids or get things done around the house. There's tons of jobs out there anyway so i'm sure we won't have trouble finding one. Brilliant
- state employee, manchester

The leader of the union urged a return to the bargaining table? Get real. I bet there will be about 750 fewer people that support the union leadership soon. Very soon.
- Steve B, Derry

Let the layoffs begin !! And make this a "teachable moment" !! When the union rubber hits the union road, the nonsense about union brothers and sisters is revealed, total bull. I hope all the soon to be unemployed former state workers slow down as they make their last drive home, think for a minute, how your union friends stabbed you in your back.
- tommy, manchester,nh

you wouldn't take pay cuts like the rest of us so now you'll take job cuts like the rest of us. Shame on you all for sealing your own fate. It's called greed. Everyone else in the private sector has had to deal with these cuts and now it is coming your way...
- Kevin, Concord

As a state employee for over 15 years I am disappointed not only in our Leadership but also my fellow state employees who did not vote (either way) on the contract, shame on you. Are you so secure in your jobs? I hope you put the 42 cents (the cost of the stamp) in your savings account because you'll need every penny when you get laid off this week.
- Jennifer, Concord, NH

Let the layoff's begin.

I hope these greedy twits get the axe before the end of the month.

Serves them right !!!
- Jeff, Concord

I"m sorry to say this I would of voted for it. But since it was vote down greed 1 won! people lost !!! I also will say this I hope Gov. Lynch as got the gut and not return to the Tables. State workers work for the govt. The govt. worker for the people. This is not the private sector you should glad to be working.We in the private sector are losing our lobs. So we cannot say sorry to you when you cannot say sorry to us.I say get another job if you can.
- mo, plymouth

It seems that the SEA membership has called the Governor's bluff. Will it be Lynch time or Flynch time?
- Bill, Bedford

As a State worker, I say STUPID UNION for asking employees to vote "no" and the STUPID EMPLOYEES for voting against this contract. 19 unpaid days over 2 years is NOT BAD. Now we all face layoffs. Thanks a lot, idiots!
- John, Concord

Huzzah. Let the lay-offs begin. We'll see how much solidarity the pinkey ring union thugs feel when they're standing in the unemployment lines. Unfortunately, thanks to bumping, the strong of the herd will be the ones culled (reverse Darwinism at its finest). Whatever happened to a meritocracy?
Welcome to the real world.
- Jim, Hampton

To my dedicated coworkers,

No one deserves to be let go. Because of your hard work, I am dedicating my (would be) furlough days to your family's needs.

Please ask your brothers and sisters for help.

God Bless the middle class and the rights to a roof over their heads and food on their table.

Don't give up, we will prevail. We will take care of one another.
- Solemn, Concord

They sowed their oats!!! Let the layoffs begin. Obviously the union employees have never worked in the private sector. Good luck finding a job in the "real" world.
- Jim, Bedford

I hope every union member that voted against this contract proudly wears a badge so their laid off colleagues know just who to thank for this.
- ppt, goffstown

Lay them off!! The SEIU only cares about their agenda not the workers of NH .... MONEY GRUBBERS......... Put the state employees right next the the mill workers.......... out of a job. Go Govenor GO start laying off the people that do not appreciate they have a job!!
- Tammy, Lancaster

Let the lay offs begin!
- Henry Swanson, Goffstown